Bounty Jobs
Bounty Jobs (Launched Nov 06) says its a web market place where employers offer bounties to
recruiters for delivering successful placements.
I had been using (I promise myself to use everyday) as we have a bounty posted.
So how does it works?
Ron Elitzur Co-founder spoke to me mid Oct about a simple concept in Internet recruiting that eliminates many of the inefficiencies in the staffing and recruiting industries, by directly connecting companies with independent recruiters in a unique way.
Companies determine the fees, or bounties, they are willing to pay specialized and
skilled recruiters to find them top talent. Recruiters then compete to locate the talent in
order to earn those bounties. 
I like it for the simple fact that if I am paying a fee for an agency on a requirement ; I rather have more Independent recruiters work on my requirement and fill the position on a little lower fee.
For all Independent or Third-party recruiters check out Bountyjobs.com and look for the bid posted.
Thanks for the nice words Rithesh. For all those out there who think this is "just another recruiting tool" I certainly would not have joined if I didn't believe that BJC was a very well thought out and revolutionary tool to more effectively manage the vexing contingency recruiter channel, I wouldn't be here.
If you are interested in posting jobs and viewing a demo, call me at 646-329-9827.
If you are interested in becoming a recruiter and viewing a demo, call Sara Patterson at 646-329-9825.
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i am interested in becoming a recruiter..
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Hi Sara/Steve,
I'm living in India and would like to join as a offshore headhunter and would like to place stream of candidates for the positions open in BJ.
Can you please clarify on the following :
How will the payment be made to international headhumters?
What will be tax liabilities?
Please let me know whom to contact on the same.
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BEWARE! This site CAN be a great tool, if you can actually get a company to hire any of your candidates. However, I know a well-established recruiter who CANCELLED her account due to unthecial behavior on the part of Bounty Jobs employees. Since the employers haven't been doing much hiring through this site, the company is trying other ways to make money.
If you know anything about how Bounty Jobs works, you know they take 25% of the commission but even 75%, or even half of 75% can still be great. Most of the employers who use the site do very little actual hiring. The fill rate is very low so the owners and/or employees of the site have found new ways to make money.
Each recruiter is allowed ten "slot's" to be "request engagement" from the employer because they only want to "accept" from recruters who specialize in that particular field or are very established in the recruiting business. I understand that logic because they'd be bombarded with resume submittals from too many recruiters.
If they accept your request, you are allowed to submit candidates to that position for free. If they DON'T ACCEPT, the request AUTO-DECLINES in 7 days. If you believe you have a "perfect" candidate, you can "take a flier" and submit your candidate but Bounty Jobs takes a small % out of your "account" for the "flier fee". For example, on a $20k commission, even though you'd only get 75%, the site takes $20 for a flier fee. It doesn't seem like much and they even give you a $50 credit balance at first, to use for flier fees. That $50 can go away fast especially if you "take a flier" a few times. So what's the big deal, right?
In recent months, newly registered employers are obviously being told to try something new; if a recruiter simply VIEWS a posted position, the employer knows you viewed it, OR someone at Bounty is telling them. The employers started sending "invitations to recuiters to accept engagement", if they "somehow mysteriously" find out a recruiter has even viewed their job posting. It's not even based on the "watch list" which my friend had already deleted, by the way. It now seems to be based on simply LOOKING at a posting. (FYI, the Bounty Jobs employees will tell you the employer has no way of knowing what's on a recruiter's "watch list" and they also can't tell their posting has been "viewed".) This is a lie.
When my friend had a watch list, she received 3 invitations for engagement, by employers, within hours. If she hadn't DECLINED those offers, they would've AUTO-ACCEPTED within 7 days and she would've been charged a flier fee for the position.
So, if 20 different employers invite you to accept, and you happen to go on vaction for 7 days or more, you could come home to a HUGE negative balance that you'd OWE BOUNTY, for jobs you VIEWED!! The employers don't realize they could be costing the recuiter fees but the guys at Bounty know! This is unethical and downright dirty. Don't trust them!!!!
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Hello: I use Bounty Jobs. I have approximately (50) candidates in play and ten in interviews. I have found that 90% of the posted positions come from Bounty Jobs employees asking the client to just try us. They already have the recruiting process internally in motion. I joined so not to chase ghosts. They do not properly qualify their clients.
Thanks!
James Cobb
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SCAM alert here.... Tried this site, and my candidate was made an offer to cut me out, called bounty no resoltuion except wait and then we will do something...also no one every responds... if you want to give your good candidates to a black hole and then have the, offer'd jobs behind your back..then bountyjobs is for you.!
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mmmhh.. this is very interesting. I have been with bountyjobs for a year and this has never happened to me. Before joining bountyjobs i had a friend work with bountyjobs for long perios of time without such incidents!
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I would like to know how many placements any recruiter has made on bounty jobs. I have presented several maybe 50 candidates. They phone screen and in person interview, nothing. Candidate is told position is filled. You have to constantly email the hiring managers. They never respond for days. I would like to know if anyone has made placements on bounty jobs in the last 8 months. If so, how many placements?
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I feel it is a shame i had 10 interviews and nothing from them. Guess the fact that I should have averaged 3 or 4 hires from that many interviews says about how I feel I guess they are doing something but reality is if you are pushing these numbers something should happen and it never does. I do see some clients have hired supposedly in the legend of the clients I worked with but hey who knows.
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I just finding out the bounty jobs is definately a SCAM. I to presented a candidate through bounty jobs that was hired 5 months after I submitted and bounty jobs claims they are looking into it. Well we are going on 2 months now and no one will call me back. FUNNY how that works. You would think a company like bounty jobs would want to collect on a $25k fee since they get 25% of it. I hope this sparks someone from bounty to contact me but I won't hold my breath.
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Very similar happening to me. Have you received your money?
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Idea lets start reporting them to BBB and shut this site down for the scammers they are
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I agree, Bounty Jobs is a joke, it strips the entire qualifying process from the recruiters hands. You have multiple recruiters working on one assignment... rookies? Recruiting 101... qualify your job orders... know your clients intimately and gosh darnet work with HR when you have to and NOT through HR solely ...
Unless you have a dead on fit for a JO what a waste, better off taking your time/money and throwing it on a craps table in vegas, at least you'll have more fun with the time you're wasting.
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Umm, this comment is so off base, I am not sure how to respond.
1) Most agencies like being invited to work on positions by employers since that is their business. We have this feature based on huge demand by recruiters and I am not sure why it is bad.
2) Fliers are hardly a revenue source nor would we ever charge for them without express action by recruiters. If someone wants to send an unsolicited resume...they can pay to do so. If they are engaged, then there is no fee.
3) There are a huge number of fills on our site.
4) The vacation example is odd. Even if we did auto accept, I am not sure how an unsuspecting recruiter could possibly have a huge negative balance.
Jeremy Lappin
CEO BountyJobs
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Hey Jeremy,
Why won't anyone from your company call me back on a fee that I shhould have been paid a long time ago. Your customer service person Linda won't call me back and when I actually catch her she blows me off and says she needs to look into it. I think a month and a half is long enough to look into something. I mean come on, I have the email chain through bounty jobs that I submitted the candidate that got hired and they are trying to so I didn't refer the candidate. We all need to get paid on this it is a fairly large fee somewhere between $25k-$28k. Can you do something for me on this since no one else will?
Jay Veniard, President
MVP Search Group
jay@mvpsearchgroup.com
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Jay,
Don't use this service please. It's turning our work into a commodity, which it is not. Never leave your invoicing/accounts receivable up to a third party organization, never.
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They do not care! UNLESS you make them $$$$
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This is also something very similar that has happened to me. Did you get your money?
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Holy moly....I cannot say enough BAD things about Bounty Jobs. I am VP of a national search firm and I always made sure that I told all of my new recruiters about Bounty and even took the time to help them sign up for their accounts and trained them. Over the course of a year and a half we made a total of TWO placements with them and each one was so much trouble it was almost not worth it. The biggest issues with Bounty that we experience are 1) our recruiters would get engaged and then NEVER hear back from the company, or we would submit candidates and NEVER get a response 2) we had a couple of companies try to hire a candidate and not pay us (tried to backdoor hire) 3)customer service at Bounty is NON EXISTANT and if you EVER do get in touch with anyone, they are defensive and RUDE. I tried for FOUR WEEKS to reach someone and get someone to return my call and the only way I finally got someone on the phone is that I went into LinkedIN and called everyone associated with company until I got a live person!!!!! In fact, the final straw for me is that I was trying to reach someone in Bounty to tell them about our latest batch of companies that pulled jobs or werent responding to us and the person I talked to told me that it was OUR fault because we shouldnt work on jobs unless we talk directly to the hiring manager, which when we signed up with Bounty was strictly prohibited!!! She the told me...and I quote...."you know, you have to realize that we are DOING YOU A FAVOR by letting you use our service".....when I talked to the sales person before we signed up, he thanked me and said how happy he was that we were spreading the work about Bounty and how they appreciate us, blah, blah.....to NOW, when we hear that they are doing US a favor!!! There are many more horror stories that I can relate,...safe to say, dont waste your time!!!
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We were working through BountyJobs for the last year and a half. While we did have many engagements, there were too many instances of clients pulling the jobs, putting the jobs on hold only to restart 60 days later and then hiring OUTSIDE of BountyJobs, not getting back to us on a timely basis or not getting back to us at all. We sensed they were only engaging through BountyJobs to fulfill their OFCCP requirements. One client had six openings throughout the country for six senior level positions. We submitted 20 candidates for these six positions and 17 were eliminated in the first 30 days. The next candidate was eliminated 3 months later, the next 6 months later and the last candidate was eliminated after 10 MONTHS! This same client changed the job requirements 3 times during the first four months! We tried reaching out to the client within days for an update or specific feedback and never received a reply. We stopped submitting people after 30 days. I reached out to BountyJobs to point this out and offered legitimate ideas on metric development to help recruiters gauge the activity/quality of the clients to cut down on time wasting client engagements. Their inexperienced customer service representatives did not want to listen and were of NO help. Ironic since, if you were on an engagement and didn't submit someone within 2 weeks, they would send you a nag email until a submission was made or your disengaged. I agree 100% with Doyle's observations. SAVE yourself time, $$$$ and headaches and look elsewhere. There are a couple of other sites that do splits or allow the recruiter to submit candidates. You WILL be glad you did.
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Would you be so kind ans share with me those other sites.
thanks
carolina
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What other sites or processes do you consider to be be better and more repsonsive than BountyJobs+
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Jeremy,
Are you saying "an unsuspecting recruiter" would NOT be charged a flier fee if they didn't DECLINE the employer's invitation within 7 days?
As you know, the invitation from the employer would "auto-accept" if the recruiter didn't decline it. Wouldn't that automatically cause the recruiter to be charged a flier fee?
Fliers may not be much of a source of revenue but that depends on how many recruiters end up being charged $20-$30 multiplied by 10-20 "invitations" by employers multiplied by thousands of recruiters who didn't realize they needed to decline that invitation or be charged a fee. That could add up to be an easy 10k in profits, per week, for Bounty Jobs and that's a LOW ESTIMATE.
In fact, I'm not at all sure what your definition is of "express action by recruiters" but I'd like to have you admit, to everyone online and as written proof, that you WILL NOT AND WOULD NOT, EVER, charge a recruiter a flier fee in the case of an employer invitation that "auto-accepts" before the recruiter has a chance to decline. ARE YOU WILLING TO DO THAT?
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Where's my last post I wrote, in response to Jeremy's post? I replied. WHERE IS IT?
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Its always there..sometimes takes an extra day ..
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Thank you. I look forward to Jeremy's response.
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I didn't understand that the fliers worked this way at all. I thought the fliers were only for presenting candidates for which engagements had not been approved by the employer thereby allowing recruiters to present a candidate that would have otherwise been out of the running. Am I mistaken?
I thought the only way for a recruiter to have a flier was for the recruiter to have requested one to either expedite or arrange a presentation. Am I wrong about this? Thanks!
I love Bounty Jobs. I think it's great, but perhaps there are things I am not aware of. Please advise.
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An unsuspecting recruiter will never be charged a flier fee if they didn't DECLINE the employer's invitation within 7 days....NEVER.
The invitation should have said auto-decline in 7 days, not auto-accept(it actually never auto accepted, it was just a typo and I apologize for it). That being said, you will never get a surprise flier charge...that is a promise!
Jeremy
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That's what I thought. Thank you for the clarification.
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It does feel good when things end well.......
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Sue,
Do you honestly believe it was a simple "typo", over and over again? If so, why did it take Jeremy 20 days to respond to my "challenge"? My guess is: he had to have time to "clean up" his books to get rid of the evidence.
If it was a typo, then there should be NO Bounty recruiters who were EVER charged a flier fee for those employer invitations.
Why don't you try asking ALL OTHER BOUNTY recruiters if they were ever charged a flier fee for employer invitations? Do an online poll or whatever it takes. THEN you'll get the truth, unless the guys at Bounty Jobs have all their recruiters "snowed" like they do you.
I've wasted enough of my time on these scammers. I have legitimate work to do. Sue, I'm sorry you choose to believe someone who continues to use the term "unsuspecting recruiters" to get around the truth.
My friend was one of the "suspecting recruiters" who was smart enough to see an obvious scam. She's been in business for a very long time so she's certainly not new to this business.
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Dianne,
I can say only what I know since I've joined, and I've only been a member of this group since the end of last month, although I've been a recruiter for 12 years.
To answer your last question, I have no way of knowing who "all other Bounty recruiters" are and, in fact, I know who no other Bounty recruiters are. Do you? If you do then I really would appreciate it if you could ask them for their feedback here since I would like to read what they have to say.
It sounds as if you're pretty angry, and maybe rightfully so, but I have no solid evidence thus far that they have been less than forthcoming with me. I will certainly report it here if I find them to be employing deceptive practices.
To answer your other question, I don't know why it took Jeremy that long to respond. It might be the reason you conjecture, and it may also be any of a number of other reasons including that he has a job to do and didn't have the time, and/or he didn't feel the need to protest that much.
I do find it difficult to believe that someone would write with such emotional impact if he/she hadn't experienced a legitimate problem so I'm not entirely dismissing what you've said, but I have found everyone at Bounty Jobs to be exceptionally nice, helpful, and considerate thus far. As I said, should this change, I will let you know.
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I'd also like to know if this is an appropriate place to comment on companies to which we have presented candidates. Although Bounty Jobs makes it clear that they are not responsible for the response, speed of response, or lack of such from any employer, (as it should be) it would also be nice to alert other recruiters who are wasting their time recruiting candidates for companies that are unresponsive or slow to respond.
I think this would also be very beneficial for Bounty Jobs because if enough members read this thread they would know where to spend their time recruiting and where not to thereby making the site more money by focusing on employers who are responsive and cooperative and who really want positions filled as quickly as possible with quality people.
I'm not talking about saying nasty things, but if someone presents a candidate and has not heard back from an employer in over a week, I think it's fair to let everyone know where they might stand should they engage such a company.
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I think Bounty Jobs is a very nice concept. I think Bounty jobs must qualify their clients. I do not like to chase ghosts. Many of the clients have internalized the recruiting process. I need procuring cause protection and therefore, I database and contact every client that does not respond to determine whether they go directly to the candidate. We will see. I do know that many clients are using recruiters with little intention of hiring. I can name a dozen in the short time I have worked within the network. Bounty jobs needs to be more selective in allowing clients to use the network.
Thanks!
James Cobb
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I think Bounty Jobs is a very nice concept. I think Bounty jobs must qualify their clients. I do not like to chase ghosts. Many of the clients have internalized the recruiting process and started the recruiting and interviewing process before they post the positions. I also need procuring cause protection and therefore, I database and contact every client that does not respond to determine whether they go directly to the candidate. We will see! I do know that many clients are using recruiters with little intention of hiring. I can name a dozen in the short time I have worked within the network. Bounty jobs needs to be more selective in allowing clients to use the network. If they do so, they will increase everyone's success rate and income. I think they will also perform a very important function if they are more selective in their cleint posting. Rememeber, recruiters work on a contingency basis and Bounty Jobs must weigh the two.
Thanks!
Jim Cobb
Thanks!
James Cobb
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I have never had any issues with Bounty Jobs. I will say that it is tough to get engaged at times. But I have also used Talenthire for a trial, but opted not to move forward since they were charging $129/month just for access. Silly. I found that part funny since they only had like 140 jobs on their site (and only a few in my area of the country - northwest) versus the hundreds on the BountyJobs site. The only thing good was that you did not have to get engaged. I've never been charged for using any fliers other than my free 50 bux on BJ. Again, this is just a tool. If you want an oddity in this online tool discussion, how about Talenthire being owned by a search firm, Projecthire. Cannot tell me candidates submitted there arent being viewed by their searchfirm? That'd scare me more. I have used Recruitalliance, Talenthire, Candex and now Bountyjobs...they are all just tools. I look forward to seeing more jobs on Jeremy's site.
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Sue,
I read your last two comments several times and I didn't respond right away because I think I've already made myself clear and I didn't plan to say any more.
Now I've decided to write back just to let you know I never meant to offend you and I'm SO happy to hear that you're keeping an "open mind". That is a relief to me because someone needs to keep them in line and watch for more of their little tricks.
It might not ever happen again now that they've been put on the spot. Just take a look at their fill rate and you'll realize they're not making much on their 25% commissions. Keep that OPEN MIND. I wish you luck!
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Cannot figure out for the life of me why any recruiter would want to pay up to 20% of their fee to a site simply for a lousy job order, then have to wait while the company billed my client and guess who gets paid last? RecruitAlliance in my opinion has the best site, since they do not want to become our partners..simply provide a good service and their customer service is great. Try to find out any information on Bounty jobs site..you would think they are a defense contractor...
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Phil,
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Recruiter's Alliance is a network of recruiters who split fees. Why would I rather get paid $15,000 on a $100K position with a 25% fee than $12,500?
Well, for me, the extra $2500 is important. It isn't to you?
I also pay no membership fee to Bounty, as is required with Recruiter Alliance.
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Recruit alliance has both employer jobs and also allows the recruiter to post jobs they have exclusives on. These are jobs you would never have access too. you do pay 75.00 a month but you keep 100% of the fee. Unlike BountyJobs which wants 25%.
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Sorry, my math was wroong.
On a 25% commmission of a $100K position, Bounty would keep only $5000, so from Bounty I would get $20,000, not $15,000. I would only get $12,500 from Recruiter's Alliance. That means there's a difference of $7,500. That's more than half of another whole placement at a lesser rate. No comparison!
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I don't have a problem with Bounty earning a commission on 'bringing in the job order'. That's how they make money. All companies have to make money somehow if they provide a service. They have a lot of jobs 800+ (I haven't logged on in a while), while other sites fail to offer as many fresh jobs. I think Bounty's site is a little archaic, but seeming run 'ok'. They seem aggressive. "Other" sites seem just fine slewing a bunch of postings up there like Recruitalliance which I haven't been on in a long time - didn't realize they were still around...which reminds me...is Candex around (anyone?). Also one of my recruiters informed me that Talenthire did a site upgrade and it looks a lot more professional. But then she showed me they only had 20 companies posting and only 100 posting overall? I was googling them and I've seen press releases stating celebrating 250th and 500th clients??? Now they have only 20 clients? What gives there? I know Recruitalliance charges a fee...as does Talenthire...why is that just to view posts? Bounty doesn't charge fees which is good, but I agree that at times the % they take can be questioned as far as % overall when you can get the same job order yourself? Curious to see which one rises to the top in '08.
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What a bunch of losers. I get 32% of gross compensation (yeah, I bill on sign-on bonuses too), and I don't split it with ANYONE.
If you're a "recruiter" who needs to do splits or utilize job posting websites to make a living, you should probably find a career that's better-suited to you. Talk about a sucker being born every minute...
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BountyJobs is wonderful. How can you say they are losers.
Your mannerisms and professionalism have a lot to be desired. Good luck getting business own your own.
Lisa Simpers
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You are totally right and spot on. This is for people who should be working in another profession. This service should be boycotted. It is a joke and total ripoff. They are skimming 25% of the top to just find a job...ridiculous. We are suppose to let them handle our invoicing and succomb to their fee negotiations. Give me a break!
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Hey Chad, let me know what happens when the folks at Bounty jobs bring on your #1 fortune client and they force you to go through them. Its a great service for what they provide...get a clue.
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Problem with Bounty Jobs is that there's no onus on the companies to get back to individual recruiters...ie. there's zero relationship. Does anyone use Talenthire anymore? I like Chad's comment....screw all these sites....with companies hiring less, there will be a strong sifting out of recruiters. Only the strong will survive. Good for Chad...I'm at 30%.
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I took the time to write an extensive reply to this blog last week but I see it has not been posted. I thought my comments would be helpful to all... I guess not. C'est la vie...
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You're all scaring me. I thought maybe this would be another - albeit - lazy way to get business. Face it, you can spend a lot of time hunting new business. This way you can spend that time hunting candidates to fill the jobs.
But now you make me wonder if there is some diabolical get-rich-quick scheme on the part of BountyJobs.
Say it isn't so.
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I have asked the Co-Founder (Ron)Bountyjobs to take a look at all the above comments & respond .. he did mention that he will have a look...
Rithesh
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BountyJobs is a win/win situation for everyone. The Founders have a well thought out business process. I am enjoying great financial gain from being a Recruiter on BountyJobs.
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I am interested in Bountyjobs so I will continue to follow this discussion.
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I have made 2 placements through Bounty Jobs. What a brilliant business plan, Bravo to the Bounty Job founders!It has been a great added compliment to my already existing recruiting business.
The only downfall would be waiting so long to get paid other than that it does work. They are getting more swamped everyday with recruiters and it is a first come first serve basis lately when getting engaged with certain employers but overall it is a great system and I highly recommend it.
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Could someone tell me if they too have been experiencing problems with logging on BountyJobs website. I hope I didn't tick someone off and got out company booted out...
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I am interested in some of the statistics for the site.
How many recruiters are engaged on each position?
How many reqs have been posted on Bounty Jobs in the last 12 months? How many of those were satisfied via Bounty Jobs in the last 12 months?
I want to know if the Bounty Jobs staff qualifies each job req as we would if we were accepting it.
Thanks
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Bronson,
I am happy to answer your quesions. You can call me after 6pm EST @ 410-322-1108.
Best,
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Bounty Jobs is a joke. No real recruiter would use this.
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BountyJobs has an excellent concept,it is a brilliant site! If you are a good recruiter, then you should be sending "qualified" candidates. If you are an employer, the experience should and will be a great one! I am on both sides of this and the experience has been FANTASTIC. I would call Lisa above for more info. YEEHAW!!!
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As a recruiter that charges 1/3 of salary I have never used any of the sites mentioned. I know that there are rare occasions when you only have one place to send a candidate and may want to use one of these as a last resort. I would be worried about a couple of things. On the website is says you are not allowed to develop new business with a client. I would also like to know if there is any language protecting us from bounty jobs using candidates that they have in their database after the 6 months. It seems like a real opportunity to sell data later.
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I would like to tell everyone who has doubts about Bounty Jobs that I have made $23,000.00 that I would not have made by using them. I don't see a reason any recruiter would not want to compliment thier current business by using Bounty Jobs. And I truly believe that in a couple more years most employers who pay for contingency searches will only use Bounty Jobs..Why not they don't have to narrow down there searches to just a few headhunters, and it is a free service for them, so experienced recruiter or not if you have any sense at all you would use the site in some capacity.
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Can anyone tell me other sites besides bountyjobs that they had a good experience using?
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We've tried BountyJobs from the company side. They offer a unique approach to talent sourcing for both companies and recruiters, but beyond the unique factor, BountyJobs falls short. It’s another layer of stuff you have to do to get so-so results. The recruiters (no offense to recruiters) were slow to respond and the resumes are off target. "Left-overs" from other searches. Heard from close recruiting source that some companies don’t respond to the recruiters they engage, letting resumes go unanswered. I could see that pushing the better recruiters away for the wasted time.
I've heard they’ve had enormous turnover in the company and are presently re-inventing themselves. The story is their CEO is a young finance whiz with no HR or recruiting experience; keeps hiring and firing his management team. They have thought up some good technology, but not much more. Hope they work it out.
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The biggest problem with Bounty Jobs is the HR personnel at the companies. I am a recruiter, who sends qualified candidates and they don't open the resume for weeks or they don't response. I like to give my candidates an update. The Hiring Manager need to view the candidats in 24-48 and give a status. I loose candidates due to lack of time on the hiring managers part at companies.
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Melenda maybe you have lost candidate from them since they are maybe taking them I do not know. BE carefull
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I met the folks from Bounty Jobs and their founder. What an arrogant group of people. The founder looks like a little napoleon and acts like one too. Its a total joke company, and will not be around in 2 yrs.
Dont use Bounty Jobs. Its not a quality recruiting service.
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Michael,
When did you meet them? what ticked you off when you met them? i've never met anyone but i've been with them for over a year now
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As I read all of your comments, the bottom line; The staff at Bounty has no clue about our industry! All they are about is sales. Period. They have young, aggressive staff members that make you sell and they do not have any recruiting/staffing/sourcing experience at all. I am talking about the prospect program. They have these 1099 people set times to force the employer to sign up and post. Now lets think about this? Make sense as to why it is so hard to fill? Or send 10+ resumes, get no response, or be told; sorry we are not hiring anymore? Now, lets talk about the recruiters on the site. They have to work and work and work, to make one placement. We could have made 5, due to this process. The staff at Bounty hires sales people that make numbers. They think just becuase they can sell, they can be a leader, or brainwash you into something that is not accurate in "our recruiting" world. They have no clue!
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This is nothing more than another useless attempt to remove the human interaction component from the recruiting process. Ever notice how quality of experience, and even quality of hire, goes down the crapper the more you remove human contact?
I've personally encountered Contract Recruiters on BJ representing clients, however one of these Contract Recruiters actually submitted one of my 'submitted candidates' to other online site to make a placement (note that this candidate was even marked 'rejected' in the BJ system). If not, the hiring company allocates the most junior level recruiter to handle the BJ 'channel' because they get tired of the "just try us, please!" sales calls. So, your ingredients (candidates) might be great . . . but if you have the McDonald's Fry-Guy trying to make a gourmet entree, good luck to ya.
Jason Davis asked BJ a simple question one day when they were getting a healthy dose of poor word-of-mouth branding on the RecruitingBlogs.com chat window a couple months ago. He asked what % of jobs actually get filled . . . however, being that they were at a conference that day, the sales reps wanted to talk more about BJ's 2008 revenue than the true % that gets filled. Yep, they wanted to talk about themselves more than answer JD's question. So I still haven't seen anyone actually answer that question because they know if they publish the actual %, any real recruiter will move on because time is money.
In the end, the cat will be out of the bag and they'll either go down in flames or re-invent their value proposition because recruiting is selling . . . and selling is about people first and technology second.
P.S. $23k is peanut money in the world of Executive Search. The cost of giving up actually interacting with other human beings isn't worth even $1 million USD today.
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Yes, I did forget to agree that that entire team is very arrogant! One of them can sell, sell, sell, but has an attitude that you must be a gold log to be part of that company!!
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I religiously recruit through BountyJobs, and have really liked it. I work from home now, have put in only part time hours and have made 5 placements through Bounty; not big jobs, but comfortable for me to add to my income! $30k. I also use Dayak, which is a good system, however haven't come to like it, yet, as much as Bounty. I've developed great relationships with corporations/clients through Bounty and have found it very resourceful in building my small recruiting business!!
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No one uses Talenthire anymore. Everyone's gone except one person I think but their site looks good. Go figure. There's only like 50 jobs on there. Either way, I plan on not using any of these and in 24 months all will be gone including BJ.
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Good afternoon. It's a dangerous business going out your front door.
I am from Burma and also now teach English, please tell me right I wrote the following sentence: "Cheap tickets to london offers discount airline tickets deals for budget travel to london, the uk and other major cities in europe."
With respect
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OK I am taking a poll. I have about a 25% average of interviews on bountyjobs. I place way more people with out them then I do with them. Who here has gotten a fee and paid>? I do not see many.
Who is filling the jobs and if so how many. I just made a placement that paid me just under 40K without them.
Why are we dealing with bountyjobs it is becoming clear not to deal with them at all. When I did a training session with them Jerry said why bother working on these if you do not like the results you are getting to a recruiter that was clearly upset with bountyjobs.com. I believe we should all go on bountyjobs.com and post fake resumes on the board and mud the clients off. We can turn around and play this back and mud them out. The clients walk away with a simple we have filled the req. Bountyjobs does not feel they have to tell us if that client hired from a recruiter or not. Are clients who are using this not real on the reqs?
I see that with other clients my results are so much hire. Why are we allowing as recruiters as a whole to allow this shallow trade to exist???...
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Holy moly....I cannot say enough BAD things about Bounty Jobs. I am VP of a national search
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Yes, I did forget to agree that that entire team is very arrogant! One of them can sell, sell, sell, but has an attitude that you must be a gold log to be part of that company (bountyjobs.com)!!
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Either way, I plan on not using any of these and in 24 months all will be gone including BJ.
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My fustration is that the hiring managers don't get back to you. If they like the candidate or not. It isn't fair to the candidates since they are waiting for an answer. I have called the hiring managers and email and asked for an update. If the position is open or are you still accepting applicants with no response. I have one hiring manager, who opened three resumes and the other 8 resumes are still unopened since 2/2009. The follow up time with the hiring managers is terrible. We as recruiters work our butts off to find great candidates and keep the candidates warm too. All we ask for, it a yes or a no.
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PA: I almost always win on Bountyjobs. Sorry it is not working for you. Just like any "sales" job, it is a numbers game. you win some and you loose some. Some clients fill on their own, and some make your candidates an offer on Bounty. I find it to be a mix on Bounty. Bounty has introduced me to many companies that I would have never had the chance to do business with and in this economy you have to use ever avenue. And just because things are not going you way does not give you the right to be childish and make suggestions about going on their website to do inappropriate actions.
By the way, I am on a beach right now writing this, thanks to Bountyjobs and the 5 placements I made in the last several months.
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"I made 5 placements and I am on the beach over the last few months!" First you do not get payments from them till after your placement has been in place for over 90 days. 2nd I think from your tone you work at bounty. I challenge this who has cancelled checks from bountyjobs.com please speak? I think that they do probably make a few placements but I also think they are collecting all of our candidate’s names and emails. Who knows they could be farming them to a third world country? The perfect candidates that we are submitting and who may be using them to make $$$?
"And just because things are not going you way do not give you the right to be childish and make suggestions about going on their website to do inappropriate actions." This shows me a strong tone of you being on the inside. But I also challenge this: “is it ok for bountyjobs.com to have this attitude and for the hiring managers to make you a number of many as well and treat our entire candidate’s childishly?” Submit an Engineer. Wait 6 months and nothing? Submit a candidate a close a req’s with no reason? Submit a candidate and on req’s that the company already was closing on someone they had worked a year ago? My challenge is valid provide proof that the services work. I do not want to hear that our recruiters have placed thousand? Real Proof Bountyjobs.com
Why are we allowing the managers to walk on us as recruiters do we really want to be a number in a deli? Are you part of the scheme of this private venture that has gotten some small venture funding to spend.
I challenge this let the owner reveal checks from employers made out to bountyjobs.com?
I bet he will not because it goes against his Napolitano attitude and the same screw it attitude exist in your posting. Funny thought how it is going bountyjobs.com busy to read this stuff?
Remember this everyone if we allow this trade to continue we will all have to be dealing with clients on sites like this that will further the need for any human interaction and clients that will close req’s on you and smile at the stable of candidates that they retain. The idea was reviewed by me and many similar others. The question is if you need to be treated badly have your clients treated badly then let the scheme succeed of bounty jobs.com and keep supporting it. The smarter people are going to run and hide from this service its time is nearing over from all of the comments and people that say how bad it is. I make placements and I am a firm believer that bountyjobs.com
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I have also just noticed that a few people are saying that they make five(5) placements on bounty I am thinking this is now a made up number as well from people from bountyjobs.com. I made 5 this is starting to look more and more like it is a farse please come forward with verif proof!!!
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Hermes, who is on the beach typing the email, works for BJ. BE CAREFUL FOLKS!
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recruiters (no offense to recruiters) were slow to respond from bountyjobs.com
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Automated notification about Bountyjobs.com:
XXX - XXXX:
Bounty closed - Requisition closed
View Bulletin:
Ok so the do have req that do close. But they did get information on my candidates. I am playing this out I think bountyjobs.com is a farse, scam, not properly runed and ruining the 3rd party recruiting biz and I am going to prove it with time.
If your a 3rd party and you want to do biz with them you will leran over time.
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"I religiously recruit through BountyJobs, and have really liked it. I work from home now, have put in only part time hours and have made 5 placements through Bounty; not big jobs, but comfortable for me to add to my income! $30k. I also use Dayak, which is a good system, however haven't come to like it, yet, as much as Bounty. I've developed great relationships with corporations/clients through Bounty and have found it very resourceful in building my small recruiting business!!"
Yeah and you want to tell the world about this. I doubt it!
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"I religiously recruit through BountyJobs, and have really liked it. I work from home now, have put in only part time hours and have made 5 placements through Bounty; not big jobs, but comfortable for me to add to my income! $30k. I also use Dayak, which is a good system, however haven't come to like it, yet, as much as Bounty. I've developed great relationships with corporations/clients through Bounty and have found it very resourceful in building my small recruiting business!!"
Yeah and you want to tell the world about this. I doubt it!
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This is one of the best and the most useful reviews for me! Thanks a lot.
Researchersecrets.com - Rocks!
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I have been recruiting in the A/E industry now for 7 years and just started my own firm. I love recruiting and take pride in my career and company. It is a very challenging job, but I can still not grasp why any recruiter would want to use this site or even split a fee with another recruiter. If you can not fill a position on your own or get clients on your own, than maybe you should not be in the business of recruiting. Without tooting my own horn, I have been very successful and have made numerous senior level placements for clients all over the country without ever using a site like this or teaming up with another recruiter. I enjoy the personal relationships that I have built with my clients and I know none of them would use bounty jobs because they understand the importance of developing a relationship with a good recruiter. It does not surprise me that feedback on candidates is limited or never happens at all on bounty jobs. What commitment does that firm have to you? They do not even know who you are, so it becomes easy for them to blow you off or not respond. I always work directly with the Principals and owners of a firm when filling a position and can not see any other way of recruiting. Bounty Jobs is not going to get you repeat business or build your client base, which too me is the most important aspect of becoming an established and successful business. My advice to employers looking to fill a position is to simply choose one good retained recruiting firm that has a solid track record and specializes in your industry. You are not going to get the top talent, gainfully employed candidate that will help your company grow by opening your position up to a bunch of "rookie", "fly by night recruiters". Recruiting is a serious business and I am tired of both recruiters and companies trying to treat it like it is some type of interchangeable service. I came across this site when I was marketing out a candidate to an engineering firm. The Principal directed me to bounty jobs if I wanted to present my candidate. Do you really think that I am going to present a gainfully employed, top candidate, in which I used my own sourcing and networking to develop not knowing if I will get feedback, get paid, or have to share my fee? I find my work and expertise way too valuable to share with a ridiculous company like this and feel it devalues the recruiting career. Bounty Jobs will never, nor do they deserve to, collect off of my 7 years of hard work in networking and developing relationships with key players and candidates. It seems like a big scam that is already getting a bad wrap. Do your own work, make your own money, and stay away from scams like this!
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I am not a member of Bounty Jobs but have been recruiting for 12 years. I am wondering if there are any REAL benefits to using this service (from a recruiter's perspective). We have a potential client who referred us here and I am not signing on but wanted some more input from the lovers and haters of Bounty Jobs.
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What is to keep a recruit from forming a fake company and posting jobs JUST TO HOARD resumes?
In fact.....
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I agree. Bounty maybe building a resume data base sending candidates elsewhere!!
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It seems to me to be too easy for employers to just gather resumes and build their databases at the expense of the hard working recruiter. Then you have companies out there who weren't properly screened by BJ and are abusing the site by collecting tons and tons of resumes, some well over 200, keeping 1 or 2 active and never hiring anyone. On top of that I have received reports from several candidates that during the interview process from the employer that they felt the company had no intention of hiring them or anyone else for that matter. (granted I don't know these particular candidates through and through but they were very senior candidates and I was informed by several different people) I think the idea can be beneficial to both recruiter and employers alike but there needs to be more regulation and structure implemented in order to make this even close to a viable option.
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I can see how lack of responsiveness from employers might lead you to question their motives, but I think those motives (and those of their partners like bountyjobs) are not as calculated as you think. I guess there could be some that are trying to hoard candidates, but the more more likely explanation for not getting back to recruiters is usually simpler: lack of time, poor follow-up or even thoughtlessness. I agree with you that more structure - or maybe advice and direction - is a way to solve this. At BountyJobs (where I work), we're trying to improve it. One way is by changing the way employers post jobs on our site. At the same time a company posts a new job, they also get advice from account managers (many of whom have been headhunters themselves) about what they can do to get better and more quality attention from recruiters. It's helped. It's not perfect yet and we're very open to feedback about how to make it even better.
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Yep we stoped using them or even looking at them I was just checking in to see if anything has changed......
We got sick of working for nothing and sending great clients into the blak hole of nothing-ness
Really bounty - If you cant put up client metrics and let us recruiters know what jobs are worth workiing on you will evaporate like the sweat on my forehead in the hot Peruvian Sun....
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Bounty is a HUGE scam, especially the Canadian "engineering" firm that tells recruiters if the candidate you submit is qualified, you have to have the candidate him/heself go on THEIR website and submit their resume online to the company directly. This company has destroyed their reputation because of their hiring practices so nobody wants to work there anyway.
I submitted a candidate with a prescreen attached, dated with candidate approval to submit. The company liked him, BOUNTY said although my submission was in the database first, they were giving to another recruiter. WTF? Trying to get "Linda" to call back is pulling teeth. Do yourself a favor - avoid Bounty and it's scam. Companies are hiring candidates after the ownership period is over. It's all bull**shit!
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BOUNTYJOBS.COM IS A SCAM. THEY OWE ME OVER $10,0000 FOR A PLACEMENT MADE IN MARCH. I EVEN GOT CONFIRMATION WITH A CHECK NUMBER FROM THE HIRING COMPANY SO I KNOW BOUNTYJOBS HAS THE MONEY. ITS BEEN A COLLECTION NIGHTMARE. AVOID THIS COMPANY LIKE THE PLAGUE AND JUST WORK WITH COMPANIES DIRECTLY. BOUNTJOBS IS NON RESPONSIVE TO EMAIL AND PHONE CALLS. I'VE SENT A COMPLAINT TO THE HIRING COMPANY, BUT NO MUCH THEY CAN DO SINCE THEY ALREADY PAID THE INVOICE. SO, BEWARE AND USE THIS SITE AT YOUR OWN RISK. THEY STEAL MONEY THAT RIGHTFULLY AND ETHICALLY BELONGS TO THE RECRUITER.
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I read the above comments and decided to try Bounty Jobs out for myself. After all, I am a staffing professional with a team of highly trained recruiters, and if BJ offers even one new opportunity to place a candidate, I owed it to myself to check it out.
I AM COMPLETELY DISAPPOINTED. Let me first say that nothing was unethical, and I didn't get ripped off for money/candidates per se. Instead, I wasted a lot of time/aggravation/effort working on 'fake' positions.
I engaged over a four month period on four separate jobs with four distinct employers. Let's call them jobs A, B, C, and D. Job D was overly specific and after researching my candidate pool I didn't feel I could provide what they were looking for at the pay they were looking for -- I didn't send resumes so we can count that one out. That leaves us with A, B, and C.
Job A -- I sent a candidate the day I was engaged on the job; I received a prompt response with a one-page questionnaire for the candidate, and I even called the contact to introduce myself. "Hey, so far so good!" I thought.
I had the candidate complete the survey and submitted the next day. My contact responded that they wanted to conduct a phone interview.
54 DAYS PASSED BEFORE THEY ACTUALLY CALLED MY CANDIDATE AND DECIDED HE WASN'T STRONG ENOUGH. By this point my candidate and I had figured they were not interested, as I left a dozen or so voicemails and emails for my contact, none of them being returned. I was effectively stone-walled for just shy of two months, left in limbo, then suddenly and without warning my candidates was phone screened and passed on. Total waste of time.
Job B -
I submitted two candidates April 6th and a third on April 19th; then received nothing. I called and emailed for weeks, leaving messages and the like for a contact who refused to call me back (to this day I have never spoken to him). Finally, on May 4th, (28 and 14 days after submittal, respectively) I was informed via a mass email that they had selected an internal candidate. All three candidates were no longer being considered. Waste of almost a month.
Finally, Job C
Got engaged to the job May 4th; I submitted a candidate on May 5th. Client did not provide a phone number, so I have been emailing with no response. Here we are 34 days later with not even the faintest idea if they are interested in my candidate (the only one submitted, incidentally).
I am quite zealous, and have reached out to my Bounty Jobs rep at least a dozen times for help; additionally, I called "Customer Service" and she basically blamed me for having high expectations. I don't know what the world at large expects, but having to wait on average 31 days to receive feedback on a candidate resume, let alone an email or a phone call to acknowledge my existence, doesn't feel like too much to ask.
BJ is a failed experiment, and the problem lies mainly in the fact that recruiters are commoditized and client companies are free to do what they please, when they please.
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Will not recommend Bounty Jobs....I earned a fee and got the runaround from their stupid Accounting Department that owed me money.....Can't explain their tax forms....Now they have clients...who do not want to publish their names...Is this ethical..? As a recruiter, I have rights to know what company has the jobs....so that I can decide to work for that company or not...I do not want to waste my valuable time....competiting for a job with an unethical company I do not wish to work for... DO NOT USE BOUNTY JOBS....WASTE TO TIME....The companies that use that site not serious about hiring your candidates.
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Below is a list of the current and recent staff at bountyjobs.com. I notice that most staff is in NY is rather new and has only a few yrs in recruiting business. Also would you like to see that they have a bunch of contract recruiters in house hmmm are they contacting clients and placing your people. My feeling is that they are using your talent to make placements.
Johnny Reyes, Director at BountyJobs johnny@bountyjobs.com
Michael Hard, Rather New CEO Bountyjobs
Chris Lathrop, Vice President of Sales -BountyJobs, Inc
Stacey Shub, Sr. Account Executive at BountyJobs (staceyshub@gmail.com)
call 212-913-9331 sshub@BountyJobs.com
Erinne DeGroff, Account Management at BountyJobs
Brad Keckler, Account Executive at BountyJobs
Mike Fox Sr. Corporate Account Manager BountyJobs.com
Jason Peckham Corporate Account Manager at BountyJobs former Rolling Stone Magazine
Josh Aronowitz Consultant Corporate Accounts at BountyJobs
Jason Scheckner, Director of Corporate Accounts at BountyJobs
Drew Kaplan,Director Marketplace at BountyJobs
Jerry Aubin, VP of Marketplace Operations at BountyJobs
Tom Walsh, Director of Corporate Accounts at BountyJobs
Joanna Shkreli, Account Management and Support at BountyJobs
Jeremy Lappin , Entrepreneur
Mark Hohmann, former Co-founder, CTO at BountyJobs Co-founder, Director Corporate Accounts
Ron Elitzur (bountyjobs @gmail.com)
Dustin Langner Business Development Manager at BountyJobs
Elliot Oshman Senior Architect at BountyJobs
David Gaspar (davidsjobs_usa@yahoo.com)
Independent recruter at Bountyjobs
frank marsicano at BountyJobs
Dustin Langner Business Development Specialist for the Southeast US at BountyJobs
Asaf Katzir at BountyJobs
Joseph Leach Business Development/Corporate Account Manager at BountyJobs
Byron Gee Employer Account Manager at Bounty Jobs
Aaron Smith Manager of Corporate Accounts at BountyJobs
Melody Anicich Senior Contract Recruiter
(Josh Arnold josharnold@verizon.net
Broadcaster at MSO Web Radio
Broadcaster at MSO Web Radio
Advocate for Children with Speical Needs at Associated Advocacy Center-Visions for the Future, Inc.
Consultant/advisor at BountyJobs.com)
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I made three placements back in 2008. I have not made any placements since. I have submitted 20 candidates per requisition. Company states they have filled the position out of bounty jobs. They keep the candidats. I know there was a candidate, who I submitted to a company. The company did hire him a few months later. I am told by hiring managers that these are their candidates. So we do the hard work and if they hire the person, we have no control since they are in the data base. We have no protection as recruiters not even a year. If they use our candidates in the next year, we should have some say so and get the fee too. I work for myself and fill more postions on my own, than working for bounty jobs. You do all the work and they keep the candidates. Not fair, we prescreen and submit candidate. The hiring managers don't get back to you for weeks. Always undecided..for weeks..either you are interested in the candidate in a week or two not 4-6 weeks..Who stays on the market for 4-6 weeks in rearlity...
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OK so they are doing what we all know still our $$$$. Report them to the BBB this site is A SCAM bountyjobs is a scam. bountyjobs.com is a scam. We need to bring them down people and stop this SCAM
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Interesting afterthought/idea why not polute there system with resumes that are not real and put email address that are not from your company domain to find out what trap they are working on this scam bountyjobs.com
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Frankly, I am disgusted with Bountyjobs and it's "claims" of helping the industry. I have 3 very large corporate clients who have signed with them over the past three years and have seen my relationships with these clients tank. Good service is built on relationships. Period! There is NO RELATIONSHIP using a web portal like bountyjobs. Half the time when you submit a candidate, you don't even get a response. It's pathetic.
* There is no direct communication with clients. How is that helpful??
* My receivables went from net 30 of invoice date to 90 days from start date. How does that help my business??
* My fees were cut by 5-15% in most cases. How does that help my business??
* Some bountyjobs clients want a 180 day guarantee, and bountyjobs approves it. Really? Money back after 6 month? Where is the responsibility of the candidate and employer to make it work out. The recruiter has nothing to do with someone leaving a job after any time as far as I am concerned. But we are punished for it. The client interviewed and hired them. Shouldn't they be responsible?? That like saying, "hey, you introduced me to my wife and then she cheated on me after 6 months..It's your fault". Really? Sorry dude. Yeah, I should have never introduced you. Shoot me.
All bountyjobs has done is serve themselves and the hiring facility. There is no benefit to the recruiter. More reqs?? Sure, but more competition with those reqs. Instead of competing with 3-4 other companies, now all recruiters compete with hundreds.
I use bounty jobs only because my clients do, but I won't be for much longer. I sure would like to see bountyjobs send out a recruiter survey to see how it has affected our business. All I see are company testimonials. Sure, they love them because that's who bountyjobs works for. How about helping the recruiters who are doing all the work for free, in HOPES of making money? How about making it mandatory that client take calls from recruiters so we can get important details that are ALWAYS left out of the req?? How about doing something besides skimming off the top to make a buck?? Bountyjobs is a joke, and I would like to see 1000 recruiters join me to tell the world about it.
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